Snake-oil salesmen come in wondrous variety, and they sure found a fertile field with Zionism. Look at all the mishmash of random garbage they seize upon to justify themselves.
Bronze Age myths of promised lands, made-up Biblical prophecies from snake-oil peddlers 200 years dead, a settler-colonial myth that could have been made up by Cecil Rhodes, and the deliberately twisted libel that Judaism is the same thing as Zionism.
Zionism uses religion in the same way Nazism did. The German Nazis appropriated pagan Germanic myths and twisted them into a monstrously mystical justification for conquest and ethnic cleansing. Zionists attempt to appropriate both Judaism and Christianity to accomplish something that goes against the fundamental tenets of both religions.
Religion is often the tool used by political psychopaths to divide, rank, justify and bully people into order and control. And people just continue to fall for it.
An important point here is that the wealth that Zionists command globally is why their vile, racist ideology has not been extinguishable yet. The Nazi ideology was killed & could not propagate because the Nazis were not rich like the Zionists. The world wants to be good & noble only if being bad & horrible does not pay. If the pay is good, the world has no problem committing genocide. All the apparently noble global powers are shamelessly supporting the Zionist genocide & will continue to do so because they need the money that the Zionists are peddling. They have been committing genocide for 76+ years & counting. The Zionists know that as long as they keep paying, there is nothing that can stop them. We are watching this happen live in broad daylight, & all the supposed “superpowers” are shamelessly taking the cash & allowing the anarchy.
Hitler didn't survive World War II, but won the war. The fact that Israel is following in his hobnail boot prints is one of the greatest perversions of history.
You took the words out of my mouth: the worst thing is that with this ridiculous, superstitious nonsense, even more people will be killed. It’s all bonkers fiction. As one of the links here says, the idea of ‘The Rapture’ was something that an Anglo-Irish man came up with in the mid 19th Century, when so many people were being displaced from their old ways of working by the Industrial Revolution. The more unhinged of our human brethren may be similarly enamoured of a 21st Century version of this, when AI begins to replace a lot of unskilled workers jobs (and some skilled workers too). Save the red heifers! Don’t give in to superstition!
Take it from me as a well-read Christian (not of the fundamentalist variety) that there is nothing written in the New Testament about sacrificing cows or re-raising Solomon's Temple in order to bring Jesus back to Earth. These "rapture" types are following an idea that came along in the West in relatively recent times. An Anglo-Irish man named John Nelson Darby was the first to come up with it in 1827. You can read about it on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture.
So you can see it's only about a 200 year old idea, and it's not followed by any mainline Christian Protestant denominations or the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox churches as it's not Biblical (or very nice at all). You will notice the approximate date when this decidedly Western idea came about--around the start of the Industrial Revolution that put many poor people out of work and forced them off their farms and into dirty factories in the cities through out the Western world. The idea that somehow poor folks could do something to bring Jesus back to Earth and take them out of their present suffering slaving away in factories for capitalists was very attractive as you can see. It's still mostly attractive to people who came from poorer and less educated backgrounds. They don't get many breaks in this life, so the idea that they could get a "jump start" into the afterlife is attractive. (And these folks added the idea that Jesus would "avenge" their losses by slaughtering all the "Jews" that took their money away from them and stuck it into their banks, etc.)
Education once again can dispel a lot of these crackpot ideas that are neither "Christian" nor "Jewish." The Rapture was made up to as a way for poor folks hurt by capitalism in the Western world to get back at the people they feel have hurt them and their families. Add in the crazies in the modern state of Israel (who just hate Arab peoples because they're racists and/or are jealous that they were already living in Palestine when they wanted to move back in the 20th century) and you come up with a horrible genocide and general insane and inhumane actions all around. We need many, many more mental health workers in this world, honestly!
Thank you so much for this unbiased and factual, well-sourced information! Sharing! I’ve known about this but a lot of people don’t and your stack is excellent and not biased by any religious affiliation so very shareable without looking like a nut job lol
Thanks for the feedback. All this end times, second-coming stuff is such a weird, nutty worldview. It's like the Middle Ages dominating the modern world ... a curse on modernity and rationality.
Well the thing is that I am a Christian and I know about these prophecies and have been waiting since I was a teenager. The thing that is so crazy to me is how evangelicals are giddy about this horrific genocide for the prophecies to come true at all costs! How freaking Christ-like is it to murder, starve snd torture fellow human beings including other Christians? There WAS a large Christian Palestinian population! It’s so sick and twisted and evil! It’s really crazy!
There is really nothing to cite in the Bible that covers this idea of the "Rapture". Read my longer comment and the Wikipedia article for an overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
These folks think that when Jesus used an allegory like "I am the door," that he literally said he was a door made out of wood!! So all it takes is one overly literal type--John Nelson Darby--to come up with this stuff in 1827 and tons of poor oppressed people to suck it up and think it's actually Biblical. The churches that teach this stuff generally do not have well-educated ordained ministers with advanced degrees who have learned to read the Scripture in the original languages of Hebrew and Greek, so you can see how these misunderstandings can get passed along.
And many of them know exactly what they are doing, cynically manipulating scriptural text and peoples' fear and desperation and longing for some hope, some promise of a better future.
Yeah, some folks will take advantage of desperate people in the most despicable ways. The epitome of capitalism, IMO. It's why the Sermon on the Mount isn't mentioned much by those types... It's too socialistic.
Interesting. The video I've seen of the red heifers waiting in the wings in Israel are all red. There's a close-up photo of one in one of the stories in the post.
Yes, I do realize that. It’s utterly barbaric. And also a serious misreading of the New Testament. Christ’s body is the third temple, and we, Christ’s people, are meant to be Christ’s body on earth. How do people who read the Bible not know this?!
It’s amazing that in 2024, in today’s “developed” world, real humans are blindly believing these insane things & acting upon these “beliefs”. How can we call ourselves civilized humans? How are we any different from crazy, deranged & unhinged humans? How can we be creative, thoughtful and productive people making a good living & also crazy, deranged & blind believers at the same time? It’s one thing if these actions only affect these crazy morons. But if their actions affect everyone else, it’s a whole different scenario! If someone “believes” that they own the world, because GOD told them so, and everyone else in the world has to follow that “belief”, because apparently GOD decided that, then what is our standing as intelligent humans? How can we claim to be at the top of the food chain as humans? Even animals will laugh if they heard of such abject unbelievable stupidity!
The animal kingdom will laugh hysterically when they learn that religion is going to be the root cause of the total decimation of the human race! Even the GODs would be wondering why these moronic humans are uprooting one building to build another, and continuing this nonsense. “My GOD needs this space, so your GOD has to go” Even the GODs would hear that and think, this stupid human race creatures deserves to die off!
Oh yes! By all means, let’s kick over a hornets nest and rebuild the fucking temple, which won’t be any good without the Ark of the Covenant in it, so what’s the sense? And let’s have the Israelis revive their ancient rituals which involve killing a lot more animals than 5 red heifers. The temple is a nonstop slaughter house of “offerings” to God the father - cranky, bitchy God who likes to kill people - not sweet loving Jesus - who doesn’t. Blood, blood, blood and death, that’s all Judaism has to offer the world.
well-informed and well-enraged, mark, re. those pathetic but deluded, brain-polluted xian evangies. nonetheless, as an eclectic nullifidian, other sites are so unabashedly saturated w/ my disdainful criticisms of these dim-witted donnards, i'm beginning to sense i should be less hispid and judgemental. concomitantly, i recognize that w/out their puerile delusions, many of the most impoverished in the multifarious, depauperate countries where we have worked since the early 1960s [on environmental and sustainable development contracts] would be lost, in despair, and devoid of any source of sanguinity for their futures w/out their beliefs in and reliance on these delusional xian mythologies, particularly re. the 'afterlife'.
barbaric, mark. that despicable ritual ,metaphorically and literally, reflects the barbarism of both the israeli state and the OT-based religion of judaism. much appreciated, your comprehensive historical backdrop and your arresting eloquence.
Thanks, Jeanie, and keep in mind that evangelical Christians are fully onboard with this whole scenario. As I noted, I am no Biblical scholar or Middle East expert, so all the details and backstory of this whole thing are not in my ballpark, but the clear risk of all this being gasoline on the fire is clear.
Last time I checked the figures - back in the early 90’s, the amount of money the Christian Evangelicals were sending to Israel each year in donations, so they could continue building illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem was $70 million - that on top of all the other aid we send Israel, not counting the weapons sales. We are literally financing a rogue terrorist state on par with the worst of them.
But we’re not really talking about Christianity. We’re talking about Judaism as it was practiced in Judea and Samaria during the time Christ allegedly lived because remember folks, there isn’t one contemporary account from that period if anyone named Jesus or Joshua bar Joseph or whatever, who went around preaching to large crowds (the Romans wouldn’t have liked that) much less performing miracles and resurrecting the dead. Not one. Not an inscription; not a report to Rome; not a papyrus or shard of tablet, nada, zero, zip, nothing, the big goose egg.
And Judaism as it was practiced at that time was probably just as strict and controlling as the Wahabi sect of Islam in Saudis Arabia, and it centered on the Temple where 24/7 365, animals were sacrificed to the nasty old God of the Old Testament, the tantrum thrower, who wiped out humanity with a flood and who sanctioned the genocide (urged the genocide; nay commanded the genocide!) of every nation and tribe his pet marmosets the ancient Hebrews found in their path so they could claim their dusty little cabbage patch in the Middle East and hold it against all comers because it was “the promised land”. Only they weren’t very adept at holding it, and even back then they were lousy neighbors.
Religion is a man made construct. A specific religion is recognized by a set of prayers, songs, beliefs, values and actions based on a particular scripture. The scripture may be completely man made; devised to manipulate people. Scripture can be god given and twisted by manipulative people over time.
But there is scripture that is god or spirit given that remains pure. In our individualistic, scientific, and ego based culture there is little space for this type of scripture. We mock anything that has to do with god or spirit. Baby-bath water. That will be our demise.
Pure ‘scripture’ or conversations with god or spirit are not religious. Indigenous peoples are NOT religious … traditional people live their spirituality and the actual definition of ‘prayer’ is ‘establishing relationship’.
Christ was not a Christian. Buddha was not a Buddhist. Humans need the box and the box eventually is what causes war. What is in my box is better than what is in your box. Spirituality has no place for greed, power or violence. Religion is driven by it.
We cannot just throw away the Red Heiffer scripture because our ego says science is better. There is SOME truth here. We must tread carefully and discern the truth of this spiritual message.
If one religion claims this ‘communication’ from God then it means war if that religion violates another religion. All the same god… different conversation.
The conversations are meant for everyone. Not just the people in the box who received it. As a white man I was invited by Lakota people to sun dance and eventually become a healer. There was no box. All are welcome by true spiritual people. It is those with hatred in their heart that create the boxes. The channels for war.
This Red Heiffer. Don’t mock it nor throw it away. Find the truth of it before we find ourselves in a religious war that EVIL wants, not God not spirits. Mitakuye Oyasin
Maybe religion is a necessary madness to allow one to live whilst death is a daily possibility. The way I deal with bloody world news is to put human rights before religion, and thus I support the Palestinians (and the Jews defying Zionism). That means that I regularly expressed my outrage, but not wanting to be a hypocrite, also o published 'The Cow God War in the Middle East' and 'Sacrilegious Sunday: Kumbaya Armageddon!' which I hope will complement your solid article.
Snake-oil salesmen come in wondrous variety, and they sure found a fertile field with Zionism. Look at all the mishmash of random garbage they seize upon to justify themselves.
Bronze Age myths of promised lands, made-up Biblical prophecies from snake-oil peddlers 200 years dead, a settler-colonial myth that could have been made up by Cecil Rhodes, and the deliberately twisted libel that Judaism is the same thing as Zionism.
Zionism uses religion in the same way Nazism did. The German Nazis appropriated pagan Germanic myths and twisted them into a monstrously mystical justification for conquest and ethnic cleansing. Zionists attempt to appropriate both Judaism and Christianity to accomplish something that goes against the fundamental tenets of both religions.
Religion is often the tool used by political psychopaths to divide, rank, justify and bully people into order and control. And people just continue to fall for it.
An important point here is that the wealth that Zionists command globally is why their vile, racist ideology has not been extinguishable yet. The Nazi ideology was killed & could not propagate because the Nazis were not rich like the Zionists. The world wants to be good & noble only if being bad & horrible does not pay. If the pay is good, the world has no problem committing genocide. All the apparently noble global powers are shamelessly supporting the Zionist genocide & will continue to do so because they need the money that the Zionists are peddling. They have been committing genocide for 76+ years & counting. The Zionists know that as long as they keep paying, there is nothing that can stop them. We are watching this happen live in broad daylight, & all the supposed “superpowers” are shamelessly taking the cash & allowing the anarchy.
Hitler didn't survive World War II, but won the war. The fact that Israel is following in his hobnail boot prints is one of the greatest perversions of history.
There is no such as an unsinkable ship, and there is no such thing as an unstoppable ideology.
I knew religious people were nutty, but I thought the majority had moved passed batshit crazy
One would hope ... in vain.
Although I was never religious, I respected religions. This genocide made me loose that respect! Batshit crazy indeed!
People really need to understand the difference between 'religion' and 'spirituality'. There is a difference.
I’m talking about religion, not spirituality. I am not religious but I am not an atheist.
You took the words out of my mouth: the worst thing is that with this ridiculous, superstitious nonsense, even more people will be killed. It’s all bonkers fiction. As one of the links here says, the idea of ‘The Rapture’ was something that an Anglo-Irish man came up with in the mid 19th Century, when so many people were being displaced from their old ways of working by the Industrial Revolution. The more unhinged of our human brethren may be similarly enamoured of a 21st Century version of this, when AI begins to replace a lot of unskilled workers jobs (and some skilled workers too). Save the red heifers! Don’t give in to superstition!
Take it from me as a well-read Christian (not of the fundamentalist variety) that there is nothing written in the New Testament about sacrificing cows or re-raising Solomon's Temple in order to bring Jesus back to Earth. These "rapture" types are following an idea that came along in the West in relatively recent times. An Anglo-Irish man named John Nelson Darby was the first to come up with it in 1827. You can read about it on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture.
So you can see it's only about a 200 year old idea, and it's not followed by any mainline Christian Protestant denominations or the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox churches as it's not Biblical (or very nice at all). You will notice the approximate date when this decidedly Western idea came about--around the start of the Industrial Revolution that put many poor people out of work and forced them off their farms and into dirty factories in the cities through out the Western world. The idea that somehow poor folks could do something to bring Jesus back to Earth and take them out of their present suffering slaving away in factories for capitalists was very attractive as you can see. It's still mostly attractive to people who came from poorer and less educated backgrounds. They don't get many breaks in this life, so the idea that they could get a "jump start" into the afterlife is attractive. (And these folks added the idea that Jesus would "avenge" their losses by slaughtering all the "Jews" that took their money away from them and stuck it into their banks, etc.)
Education once again can dispel a lot of these crackpot ideas that are neither "Christian" nor "Jewish." The Rapture was made up to as a way for poor folks hurt by capitalism in the Western world to get back at the people they feel have hurt them and their families. Add in the crazies in the modern state of Israel (who just hate Arab peoples because they're racists and/or are jealous that they were already living in Palestine when they wanted to move back in the 20th century) and you come up with a horrible genocide and general insane and inhumane actions all around. We need many, many more mental health workers in this world, honestly!
Thank you so much for this unbiased and factual, well-sourced information! Sharing! I’ve known about this but a lot of people don’t and your stack is excellent and not biased by any religious affiliation so very shareable without looking like a nut job lol
Thanks for the feedback. All this end times, second-coming stuff is such a weird, nutty worldview. It's like the Middle Ages dominating the modern world ... a curse on modernity and rationality.
Well the thing is that I am a Christian and I know about these prophecies and have been waiting since I was a teenager. The thing that is so crazy to me is how evangelicals are giddy about this horrific genocide for the prophecies to come true at all costs! How freaking Christ-like is it to murder, starve snd torture fellow human beings including other Christians? There WAS a large Christian Palestinian population! It’s so sick and twisted and evil! It’s really crazy!
They all love to cite the Bible ... except that pesky Sermon on the Mount stuff.
There is really nothing to cite in the Bible that covers this idea of the "Rapture". Read my longer comment and the Wikipedia article for an overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
These folks think that when Jesus used an allegory like "I am the door," that he literally said he was a door made out of wood!! So all it takes is one overly literal type--John Nelson Darby--to come up with this stuff in 1827 and tons of poor oppressed people to suck it up and think it's actually Biblical. The churches that teach this stuff generally do not have well-educated ordained ministers with advanced degrees who have learned to read the Scripture in the original languages of Hebrew and Greek, so you can see how these misunderstandings can get passed along.
And many of them know exactly what they are doing, cynically manipulating scriptural text and peoples' fear and desperation and longing for some hope, some promise of a better future.
And then there are the pedophiles.
Yeah, some folks will take advantage of desperate people in the most despicable ways. The epitome of capitalism, IMO. It's why the Sermon on the Mount isn't mentioned much by those types... It's too socialistic.
Right!
Mark: Given HER patch of white hair, this heifer… heifers are always female, Mark.
Interesting. The video I've seen of the red heifers waiting in the wings in Israel are all red. There's a close-up photo of one in one of the stories in the post.
Well, I guarantee she doesn’t have balls. A heifer is a female cow that hasn’t been bred or given birth.
Because it’s much harder to follow the way of Christ, and they’re lazy, stupid and afraid.
I was going to say that! The poor little cows have to be girls. The correct term for a male would be steer. Or bull calf, if not neutered.
And you realize, the temple is just a vast charnel house where animals will be active’s 24/7 ?
Yes, I do realize that. It’s utterly barbaric. And also a serious misreading of the New Testament. Christ’s body is the third temple, and we, Christ’s people, are meant to be Christ’s body on earth. How do people who read the Bible not know this?!
It’s amazing that in 2024, in today’s “developed” world, real humans are blindly believing these insane things & acting upon these “beliefs”. How can we call ourselves civilized humans? How are we any different from crazy, deranged & unhinged humans? How can we be creative, thoughtful and productive people making a good living & also crazy, deranged & blind believers at the same time? It’s one thing if these actions only affect these crazy morons. But if their actions affect everyone else, it’s a whole different scenario! If someone “believes” that they own the world, because GOD told them so, and everyone else in the world has to follow that “belief”, because apparently GOD decided that, then what is our standing as intelligent humans? How can we claim to be at the top of the food chain as humans? Even animals will laugh if they heard of such abject unbelievable stupidity!
The animal kingdom will laugh hysterically when they learn that religion is going to be the root cause of the total decimation of the human race! Even the GODs would be wondering why these moronic humans are uprooting one building to build another, and continuing this nonsense. “My GOD needs this space, so your GOD has to go” Even the GODs would hear that and think, this stupid human race creatures deserves to die off!
Oh yes! By all means, let’s kick over a hornets nest and rebuild the fucking temple, which won’t be any good without the Ark of the Covenant in it, so what’s the sense? And let’s have the Israelis revive their ancient rituals which involve killing a lot more animals than 5 red heifers. The temple is a nonstop slaughter house of “offerings” to God the father - cranky, bitchy God who likes to kill people - not sweet loving Jesus - who doesn’t. Blood, blood, blood and death, that’s all Judaism has to offer the world.
well-informed and well-enraged, mark, re. those pathetic but deluded, brain-polluted xian evangies. nonetheless, as an eclectic nullifidian, other sites are so unabashedly saturated w/ my disdainful criticisms of these dim-witted donnards, i'm beginning to sense i should be less hispid and judgemental. concomitantly, i recognize that w/out their puerile delusions, many of the most impoverished in the multifarious, depauperate countries where we have worked since the early 1960s [on environmental and sustainable development contracts] would be lost, in despair, and devoid of any source of sanguinity for their futures w/out their beliefs in and reliance on these delusional xian mythologies, particularly re. the 'afterlife'.
barbaric, mark. that despicable ritual ,metaphorically and literally, reflects the barbarism of both the israeli state and the OT-based religion of judaism. much appreciated, your comprehensive historical backdrop and your arresting eloquence.
Thanks, Jeanie, and keep in mind that evangelical Christians are fully onboard with this whole scenario. As I noted, I am no Biblical scholar or Middle East expert, so all the details and backstory of this whole thing are not in my ballpark, but the clear risk of all this being gasoline on the fire is clear.
Last time I checked the figures - back in the early 90’s, the amount of money the Christian Evangelicals were sending to Israel each year in donations, so they could continue building illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem was $70 million - that on top of all the other aid we send Israel, not counting the weapons sales. We are literally financing a rogue terrorist state on par with the worst of them.
Of course murder is central to Christianity.
But we’re not really talking about Christianity. We’re talking about Judaism as it was practiced in Judea and Samaria during the time Christ allegedly lived because remember folks, there isn’t one contemporary account from that period if anyone named Jesus or Joshua bar Joseph or whatever, who went around preaching to large crowds (the Romans wouldn’t have liked that) much less performing miracles and resurrecting the dead. Not one. Not an inscription; not a report to Rome; not a papyrus or shard of tablet, nada, zero, zip, nothing, the big goose egg.
And Judaism as it was practiced at that time was probably just as strict and controlling as the Wahabi sect of Islam in Saudis Arabia, and it centered on the Temple where 24/7 365, animals were sacrificed to the nasty old God of the Old Testament, the tantrum thrower, who wiped out humanity with a flood and who sanctioned the genocide (urged the genocide; nay commanded the genocide!) of every nation and tribe his pet marmosets the ancient Hebrews found in their path so they could claim their dusty little cabbage patch in the Middle East and hold it against all comers because it was “the promised land”. Only they weren’t very adept at holding it, and even back then they were lousy neighbors.
I don't know if that's true about Jesus and I don't care. Colorful description of the ancient Hebrews!
Leave it to them to make murder part of their assinine ritual. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
something along these lines was mentioned in the Judging Freedom podcast in an enterview with Anya Parampil 04 01 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/judging-freedom/id1591962689?i=1000651120475
Religion is a man made construct. A specific religion is recognized by a set of prayers, songs, beliefs, values and actions based on a particular scripture. The scripture may be completely man made; devised to manipulate people. Scripture can be god given and twisted by manipulative people over time.
But there is scripture that is god or spirit given that remains pure. In our individualistic, scientific, and ego based culture there is little space for this type of scripture. We mock anything that has to do with god or spirit. Baby-bath water. That will be our demise.
Pure ‘scripture’ or conversations with god or spirit are not religious. Indigenous peoples are NOT religious … traditional people live their spirituality and the actual definition of ‘prayer’ is ‘establishing relationship’.
Christ was not a Christian. Buddha was not a Buddhist. Humans need the box and the box eventually is what causes war. What is in my box is better than what is in your box. Spirituality has no place for greed, power or violence. Religion is driven by it.
We cannot just throw away the Red Heiffer scripture because our ego says science is better. There is SOME truth here. We must tread carefully and discern the truth of this spiritual message.
If one religion claims this ‘communication’ from God then it means war if that religion violates another religion. All the same god… different conversation.
The conversations are meant for everyone. Not just the people in the box who received it. As a white man I was invited by Lakota people to sun dance and eventually become a healer. There was no box. All are welcome by true spiritual people. It is those with hatred in their heart that create the boxes. The channels for war.
This Red Heiffer. Don’t mock it nor throw it away. Find the truth of it before we find ourselves in a religious war that EVIL wants, not God not spirits. Mitakuye Oyasin
Let the red cows live. I hope they're not burned alive, though it wouldn't surprise me.
Maybe religion is a necessary madness to allow one to live whilst death is a daily possibility. The way I deal with bloody world news is to put human rights before religion, and thus I support the Palestinians (and the Jews defying Zionism). That means that I regularly expressed my outrage, but not wanting to be a hypocrite, also o published 'The Cow God War in the Middle East' and 'Sacrilegious Sunday: Kumbaya Armageddon!' which I hope will complement your solid article.
https://www.mikehampton.co.uk/p/red-cow-god-war-middle-east-al-aqsa
https://www.mikehampton.co.uk/p/sacrilegious-sunday-kumbaya-or-armageddon-israel
Thanks I will check them out.
More likely than the US government. But, hell, I'll take it from anyone.
Absolutely. You sound like a possible candidate for one of the best novels, which I recently reread: "A Canticle for Leibowitz", which was published in 1960. in the midst of the Cold War. I'm going to do a column on it, but check this out: https://www.amazon.com/Canticle-Leibowitz-Walter-Miller-Jr/dp/0060892994/ref=sr_1_1?crid=303AWU0XJK2VG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Y59UoZe6YgxFOngfa-OYjIghwaJyEPGMK9_lt9RJc1v6OP3dY05hOObhLbMCqEumVUHah_oR1SBBc38g7T4ILPUAnd09eTtpKDS4l3mexxT7DAA8bDk0_s3jewtHlLYssUX5KkWqp6WyQZzJACDkL3bWJJ5vbsCWZF6oEDNwHgmLgIcJoso5QlToG1JfT9WpK1_-XPy_6RJErDpB62TeexeWzxVteUH_FOuVFddTr4Q.jf0Ad46qdXjez0iiRPkCGPG0zCsiSQ6uH4r2oF7wL-w&dib_tag=se&keywords=a+canticle+for+leibowitz&qid=1712517342&sprefix=a+can%2Caps%2C737&sr=8-1