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Permit me to offer A Real Choice, Alternative, and Antidote for Americans in Election2024: #NOTC24…

Overview / Executive Summary

As it stands right now, in every federal election to be held in 2024, Americans will have five choices. They will be able to:

* Vote for the Democrat.

* Vote for the Republican.

* Vote Third [Fourth, Fifth, etc] Party.

* Write-In Somebody/Anybody.

* Not Vote.

What if there was a Sixth Choice?

What if there was a Sixth Choice that demanded additional choices be offered? And then Voters made that Choice by being able to vote for it?

What if on every ballot for every federal election there was also a designated spot for “None Of These Candidates”?

This presents the argument that “None Of These Candidates” should be on every ballot of every federal election, and proposes a nation-wide campaign to give the American Voters a real alternative to ~ and an actual antidote for ~ what America’s Ruling Political Class is and will be giving them for so-called, alleged “Choices” in 2024.

The best alternative to, antidote for, and action against the “Choices” that America’s RPC is offering Voters in 2024 is NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES [NOTC].

Casting one’s vote for any of the “independent,” 3rd, 4th, or 5th Party candidates will accomplish nothing except give the individual Voter the satisfaction of having voted in accordance with her or his conscience. It will have no impact whatsoever on whether Trump or Biden gets elected.

But if all those contemplating voting other than Republican or Democrat voted instead for NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES, it could have an impact. Certainly more than scattered votes for the different alternative candidates.

And if all those Voters ~ who have nobody to vote FOR in the election, and only Trump or Biden as who they are going to vote AGAINST being the next President by voting for the other guy, the so-called “lesser of two evils” ~ if all of those Voters voted NOTC, it could have an impact, as well.

And finally, if all those Voters ~ who are fed up enough with American politics to not vote for or against anybody, and not vote at all ~ if all those Voters had the opportunity to vote for NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES as an alternative to Not Voting, it could also have an impact. [Note: In 2016, 38.6% of all Registered Voters did not vote for anybody to be the next President; in 2020, 33.3% did not vote for anybody for POTUS,]

Done in sufficient numbers all across the nation, a strong showing by NOTC would send a very loud and clear message ~ a shot across the bow, as it were ~ to that Ruling Political Class that its time of unbridled, unchallenged, and unchallengeable political power is over.

And that having to choose between “the lesser of two evils” is really nothing but a thinly disguised version of “the evil of two lessers.” And is no longer an acceptable option.

So the Question becomes: How would one vote for NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES and actually make a difference?

One very obvious option would be to organize and launch a national, 50-State wide campaign to get Voters to write-in “None Of These Candidates.”

An alternative to writing-in NOTC would be mandating by State-established process and procedure [legislative action, voter referendum, etc] that NOTC be available as a choice on all ballots for all federal elections held in that State. Voters in Nevada have had that option for all federal, state, and local elections since 1975.

Either and/or both of these things could happen very easily if a critical mass of conscientious, concerned, and committed Citizens determined to make exactly that happen in their State in plenty of time for Election2024; particularly in those states with US Senate elections.

For more information and specific details on how and why NOTC2024 is the ONLY viable option and choice that has the potential of bringing meaningful, effective Change to American politics and its system of government and governance, contact me be email at notc.alska@gmail.com. ~ jeff

Jeffrey G Moebus

Master Sergeant, US Army [Retired]

POC: Vote None Of These Candidates

Sitka, Alaska

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Mark Taylor's avatar

There's also this candidate ... who they would never let on the ballot.

"Man Literally Changes Name To ‘Anybody Else’ And Announces Run For President"

“There really should be some outlet for people like me who are just so fed up with this constant power grab between the two parties that just has no benefit to the common person.”

https://mark192.substack.com/p/finally-a-candidate-for-us-all-to

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jg moebus's avatar

Yeah, Mark: i saw that from from You last week.

Whether Mr Ebey got on any ballots would depend entirely upon how much work he ~ and anybody who supports him ~ is prepared to do to meet all the requirements in each State.

In any event, i think he could and would accomplish a lot more of what he is attempting to accomplish by endorsing "None Of These Candidates" and getting that on the ballots in any State he plans to run in.

Especially, if he wants to run in any other State but Texas..

My guess is that Voters would be inclined to take NOTC as a more complete and total condemnation of the whole system of American electoral Politics ~ let alone its system of government and governance ~ than somebody named "Literally Anybody Else."

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

Where do they find the cheering buffoons in the studio? Are they given happy drugs in their drinks prior to the show?

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Must be some rare strain of toxic hallucinogenic mushroom that sprouts out of fetid piles of bull shit.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"A second term for Biden will make it clear that the ruling class can do anything it wants to us and to the world, no matter how vile or destructive, and we will remain slaves to the choices it engineers for us each election.”

This. Shillery is the poster girl for all things evil, elitist and narcissistic. "We came. We bombed. He died." It's the story of her life. She has nothing but contempt for the working classes, and the feeling is returned.

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Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

In relativity to the opposition, she’s a paragon of virtue. The topics of the day are trumps upcoming criminal trial, the blatant fixing of federal courts with unqualified fellation tools and not holding our elected officials accountable for good governance. Try to keep up.

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David Charles's avatar

Wow, and Biden cut them a check-via-Iran to help fund the killing of anyone they don’t agree with. Friggon ingrates.

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JP McEvoy's avatar

Shit like this never happened on Trump’s watch… I’m glad to see the Zios heeding Trump’s admonition to get out of Gaza.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Except there are indications the Israelis are shifting over to southern Lebanon. If that is true, the Israelis are going to find a far different situation. Hamas isn't an army. Hezobolah is. A well-armed, disciplined army. An army with some 100,000 missiles. This may be the crisis Israel wants and will get the Zionists in D.C. to send our kids into the pit they ignited.

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JP McEvoy's avatar

I’m expecting a false flag op against a US Navy asset in the region soon to achieve that end.. Shades of the USS Liberty. 🇺🇸

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Could be. I'm thinking it will be some contrived terror attack in the US, orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad, or perhaps -- in line with the USS Liberty --- Mossad alone. In any event, we will not learn the truth for a decade ... if ever.

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jg moebus's avatar

You mean something like 9/11, Mark?

Here's a Question for everybody to ponder: If those who benefitted most from the first 9/11 [or the first Pandemic} decide and determine that they have even more to gain ~ economically, politically, and above all, mass psychologically ~, from a second iteration, Who and/or What is going to stop them? And How?

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jg moebus's avatar

It would be more like Tonkin Gulf than Liberty, JP. Tonkin resulted in the War DC wanted to have. What did Liberty result in? Anything?

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Those military guys at the pier for aid shipments are right in position for a faked Hamas attack.

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jg moebus's avatar

And then when Iran responds to the Consulate Bombing last week... .

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Ellen MHa's avatar

They and No other Muslim leaders want more GD American and Zionist blood lust in their countries. They don't our sick assess in their part of the world any more than South American countries, African countries, all of the Asian countries.

They know what Israel is up to and so does f*kg Biden and the Pentagon. The countries around that Isrealhell are trying to figure out how to respond and not have the biggest bully of planet making obscene profit off of their suffering and death.

How can they respond? Biden and the Pentagon must want a huge regional war. I know the MCPI complex can't get enough blood soaked dollars. Iran and they other victims don't want to give it to them, but Israel has got them across a barrel.

They are literally sick and dying from U.S. and Zionist intentions. The worst rogue entities on the planet. Zion is a Death Cult and the U.S. has been a Death Cult for 100s of years. They are BOTH being driven by religious supremacists. Zion is and has been Fascist and the U.S. is shifting smoothly into total Fascism, which is what the Ultra Wealthy has been working towards ever since they were brought to heal by FDR.

I do think there should be a "Offer Someone We Want" slot on every ballot and it should have been there since the inception of the U.S.

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jg moebus's avatar

There are also indications that the "pullout" from South Gaza is in preparation for the assault upon Rafah. Is that what Trump meant by "getting out of Gaza"?

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jg moebus's avatar

What happened on Trump's Watch was that 14,000 Ukrainians were killed by the coup government Obama installed and that Trump kept in operation, thus setting the stage for PUTIN's "Special Military Operation" into soon-to-be NATO Member Ukraine.

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jg moebus's avatar

That's PUTIN's SMO, not Biden's, as originally posted. Been a long day.

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JP McEvoy's avatar

Many of those 14,000 were Kievian Nazis so there’s that.

One thing is for sure, this thing won’t end until Biden and Co are gone and Trump is the most expeditious way of getting that done.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Trump/Biden ... Biden/Trump ...same thing.

It's just swapping out one obedient incompetent psychopath for another. Our (s)elections are meaningless.

Biden sends 2,000-lb bombs to Israel and Trump promises tax cuts for his billionaire bosses while people go homeless and die due to lack of health insurance. Each will do mass murder in their own cynical, cold-blooded ways in service to the corporate elite.

It's the system, not the candidates. People like Trump and Biden are burped up and farted out by the corporate blob running the country. (S)elections are just for show to give us the illusion we have a say in our own evisceration.

Until people wise up and refuse to play their part, it will just be a continued downward slide.

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jg moebus's avatar

Sounds like a very good argument for getting "None Of These Candidates" on every ballot for every federal election ~ for President, Senate, and the House of representatives ~ in November.

But The Problem, Mark, isn't how the system of American electoral politics works.

The Problem is that America has a system of government and governance that it makes its legal power, administrative authority, and, above all, its spending capability and capacity available to the highest bidders among Vested Special Interests competing to be the owners, operators, commanders, and controllers of the elected politicians, the entrenched civilian and military bureaucrats, and the anointed political appointees, so as to advance the agendas of the VPIs, individuals, organizations, and institutions.

That is THE PROBLEM. And until that system of government and governance is changed, absolutely NOTHING is going to change, except to get worse.

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jg moebus's avatar

Sorry, JP, but very, Very FEW of those 14,000 killed were “Kievian Nazis.” It was Obama’s Kievian Nazis who were doing virtually all of the killing; and it was nowhere near Kyiv. See the link to the article below for the details.

And while You are correct that nothing is going to change about the War in Ukraine ~ and Palestine, while we’re at it ~ until Biden and Company are gone, what is Your basis for claiming that anything would change if Trump became President?

Trump is as owned, operated, commanded, and controlled by the same people, organizations, and institutions who own, operate, command, and control virtually every elected politicians, entrenched civilian and military bureaucrat, and anointed political appointees in DC.

CONFLICT IN UKRAINE’S DONBAS: A VISUAL EXPLAINER

On 24 February 2022, Russia attacked Ukraine on several fronts beginning a major invasion. Ukraine’s president declared martial law, vowing stiff resistance, as Western powers condemned Moscow’s actions. Crisis Group will be covering this crisis in depth as it develops [see our Ukraine page]. The visual explainer below focuses not on the full-scale escalation that began on 24 February, but on fighting in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine that began in 2014. This provides crucial background for understanding what is happening today.

THE ARMED CONFLICT IN EASTERN UKRAINE STARTED IN 2014. BETWEEN THEN AND EARLY 2022, IT HAD ALREADY KILLED OVER 14,000 PEOPLE. OVER THE COURSE OF EIGHT YEARS, UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT FORCES FOUGHT RUSSIAN-BACKED SEPARATISTS FOR CONTROL OVER MUCH OF THE TWO HEAVILY INDUSTRIALISED REGIONS OF DONETSK AND LUHANSK, ALSO KNOWN AS DONBAS. Fierce battles in 2014-2015 ended with one third of the regions’ territory, its most urbanised part, occupied by two Russian proxy statelets, the self-described Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 2014 AND FEBRUARY 2015, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, FRANCE AND GERMANY SIGNED SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE SO-CALLED MINSK AGREEMENTS, WHICH EVENTUALLY STOPPED THE FORWARD MOVEMENT OF TROOPS AND REDUCED FIGHTING SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT THE AGREEMENTS WERE NEVER IMPLEMENTED, and the fighting transformed into a trench war, with roughly 75,000 troops facing off along a 420-km-long front line cutting through densely populated areas. The war ruined the area’s economy and heavy industries, forced millions to relocate and turned the conflict zone into one of the world’s most mine-contaminated areas.

This visual explainer shows both the human cost of the war from 2014-early 2022 and the relationships between diplomatic efforts at de-escalation and patterns of fighting and loss of life.

The full article is at https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer ; EMPHASIS added.

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Thomas Balistrieri, Ed.D.'s avatar

Again i agree both are bad but I DO believe Trump and his gang are worse. A no vote or third party vote has NEVER meant a thing in this country. What is there To Do besides revolution? Poor people can’t run for office… look at the millions spent. How does a MTG or Boebert get in? Because their constituency are illiterate dolts. I don’t even SEE my neighbors much less speak to them about fascism and human rights I swear to god I live in the twilight zone. Cars at 7 Cars again at 6pm I’m not sure if people even in them. Then the blue lights of TV all evening in every home. Never see a person. This is all too 1950’s science fiction for me

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Just came across the latest Chris Hedges interview with labor writer Les Leopold. It ties right in to what we are talking about. Les is great, but naive about the Democrats. Unbelievable naive about the Dems and the state of this govt. The whole interview is good, especially the need for "something else" ... about labor action. Chris's comments right at the very close about hope are spot on. I'll be doing something with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgKTZHcHQM

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Thomas Balistrieri, Ed.D.'s avatar

I agree with everything you said. But what comes first is voting day. It is one of two candidates. Trump is significantly more dangerous. Best of both evils is a bullshit way to vote but that is what we are given. After Biden in then let’s restructure. With Trump… I truly fear the fascism of Nazi Party. Out in the open holocaust.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

As I've said to you before, the only difference between the two parties is that the Republicans are speeding us into a brick wall at 125 mph and the Democrats at 85 mph. We are not limited to two options for the election. One can vote third party or not at all. I'm comfortable with either of those. About 40 percent of the country does not vote. Imagine if that were 50% ... 73% ... 82%. The storefront legitimacy of this fraud would be on full display.

As for voting Democrat because "we can work with them to reform things after the election"? How has that worked out for us? Land war in Europe, greatest act of eco-terrorism and full-on participation in a brutal genocide.

Naw, they are as dirty and as much of a scam as the Republicans. And I say that as a former county dem party co-chair.

As for Nazism, just look at the Democratic party and what they are perpetuating in Ukraine and Gaza. Believe me, as history shows, the weapons and tactics of empire are always brought home to control the restless populace bled dry for the wars of conquest. And in this stage of empire BOTH parties will be as willing to do that. Just look at how the Democrats are busy pushing censorship ... a precursor of fascism.

If somebody wants to vote for Biden in the belief/hope/trust/ delusion that it will be better, that's fine. Just not something I and many, many others will do. It's a new game.

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Ellen MHa's avatar

I'm with you. It's not about one will go Fascist and the other can be made to see reason. The ruling class has been sitting this up for decades. Conditioning us into thinking we are getting choice. Nader warned us ages ago and I've been voting for him ever since.

There is no difference between the two fronts of the Fascists Organization and the Parties are simply fronts to the continuation of the 1939 Fascist coup.

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Thomas Balistrieri, Ed.D.'s avatar

Our political system is a thinly veiled monarchy/oligarchy. The intent of our forefathers might have been pure but time and greed has changed everything. I believe we are a failed State. ‘The People’ are tired, untrusting, beaten down and focus on their daily lives.

Too many people do not read and surely are not employing critical thinking skills. We have entered the lowest level of Maslow now… people are afraid and anxious. And frustrated.

Trump and Biden are NOT the same. They are equally dangerous but dangerous to whom?

Trump would enter his presidency in a vindictive mood. We would have years of what Congress is involved in now… retribution. Plus, Trump has no soul and would destroy our country from within.

Biden is a lying genocidal dirt bag. The big difference is he still believes in, or feigns well, a belief in Democracy. With Biden there is a spark of hope. With the lying TV host who has never read a book we will fall very fast.

Both parties are cancerous and need to be cleaned it. Members need to remember they represent us and are not there to undertake their own insane vendettas and power struggles. My lord we look stupid on the world stage.

It’s about history stupid. You CANNOT judge an event like Ukraine or Gaza as a single point in time. Both are long festering wounds … climate Crisis is a long festering wound.

We need intelligent representatives who can go back in time and put the puzzle pieces together. It IS possible to even predict what will happen to whom and when if only you understand the history of a place and its people.

Ignorance is not bliss in this world. And glib discussions about Biden vs Trump are ridiculous … if you take the time to study both ‘men’. It is not only the two old men but all the people they bring to the table.

Trump brings hate, violence and festering fascism.

Biden is a liar who plays a role. Under his regime we may find ourselves in WWlll. The difference is he brings people with him that have a degree of sanity and humanity.

Let do 2024 and then clean house. It is time to re-write parts of the Constitution, vet candidates for office, have age and term limits… and no much more.

Let’s learn from history . Especially Rome.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

Umm, gotta disagree with you Tom.

Biden is as comfortable with violence as Trump. Just ask the million or so dead in Ukraine and the upwards of 200,000 estimated to be dead in Gaza and the West Bank and all of those maimed, crippled and starved in all three places in the past 6 months.

Hell, Biden just found a way around congress to send off a fresh batch of 2,000-lb bombs to drop on Gaza. Heck, even our most deranged War Dept. leaders in Iraq and Afghanistan limited our military to "only" 500-lb bombs in urban settings due to the massive death and destruction of such monstrosities. Biden is perfectly comfortable -- happy even -- dropping those on refugees huddled in tents and under cardboard lean-tos.

Then there is that intentional bombing of the Nord Stream pipeline, the single greatest (pre-planned and intentional) release of methane in history, accelerating the deadly global impact of the climate crisis, contributing to God only know how many future deaths.

Add to all that Biden's broken/ignored campaign promises and his 'war on crime' record that has destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives of Blacks and other minorities locked away in the highly profitable corporate-owned penal system.

All these travesties done by, funded by and excused by Joe Biden ... a stone-cold sociopathic murderer and the Democratic Party, whose track record is every bit as bad as the Republicans. Biden no more believes in the principles of democracy than Trump. The big difference is at least Trump is honest about his antipathy to democracy.

Supporting reelecting Biden would be like arguing to re-elect Pinochet despite having "made a few errors in judgment".

Trump/Biden.

Biden/Trump.

Two sides of the dried-up dog turd.

We are beyond politics. The system is so corrupted and government completely captured by Wall Street monsters it has no semblance of what it is supposed to be or do. Venal little troglodytes like Biden and Trump and every member of congress are the perfect embodiment of what we are and all the system can or will produce. Corruption breeds corruption.

The vast majority of empires last 250-300 years. We have passed our expiration date. Ours is done. We have had our run and shit all over the planet. We're like Great Britain after WW I. Time for us to step back and take care of our own business; our own communities. Time for labor union organizing, general strikes to bring the machine to a grinding halt, local mutual aid, agitation, targeted boycotts and let us hope that out of that some reincarnation of FDR appears. Or it will be a Mussolini/Hitler.

Tragically, things will have to get worse -- Great Depression worse -- before people are moved to act in that process.

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Ellen MHa's avatar

Alarmingly the President or whatever of JP Morgan is saying the world is heading for the worst financial collapse the world has ever seen. When a guy like that lets that be quoted in a major news outlet...Well they don't EVER do that. They never scare investors and consumers unless that's what they want to happen. He and every economist knows investors are driven by emotion, fear is the worst emotion.

Good news may be is that the 2008 bail out created a permanent split in our economy. Now we have a Wall Street economy and a Main Street economy. Two separate economies and that's why one group of people (from the Wall Street economy) say what to hell? Why do people feel the country is in bad shape? The other group of people say (from the Main Street economy) what the hell? Why do THOSE people feel the country is in good shape.

Two economies created in 2008 and it said to be a permanent condition. Sounds dystopian to me.

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jg moebus's avatar

Where did You read that JP Morgan Chase's CEO said that "the world is heading for the worst financial collapse the world has ever seen"?

The closest thing i have seen that even comes close to that is this yesterday from CBS News:

"New York — The nation's most influential banker, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, told investors Monday that he continues to expect the U.S. economy to be resilient and grow this year. But he worries geopolitical events including the war in Ukraine and the Israel-Hamas war, as well as U.S. political polarization, might be creating an environment that "MAY VERY WELL BE CREATING RISKS THAT COULD ECLIPSE ANYTHING SINCE WORLD WAR II." [EMPHASIS added.]

"The comments came in an annual shareholder letter from Dimon, who often uses the letter to weigh in broad topics like politics, regulation and global events and what they might mean to JPMorgan Chase as well as the broader economy."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-us-ri sks-possible-worst-wwii/ .

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Ellen MHa's avatar

It was on an Investor News Website and may not have mentioned where he had said it only that he was in charge of International what-not for JP Morgan. I can't quite remember if I read the whole thing, but the words that you highlight are what grabbed me and I'm surprised he would say.

I can look to see if I have the article in my browser history. But don't you think it's very odd that a highly respected person in his position would say ANYTHING that might spook investors and consumers alike?

I'm not an economist and not very well informed on the dynamics of Wall Street and the like, but even I know one doesn't say stuff like that. Investors mostly act out of fear or exuberance, if not for these emotions they would let their choices ride, so I think.

He may have said it to steer Foreign policy into more correct direction (Organizations such as his have an oversized influence on the government). He and others may seek to avoid the ramifications Biden and his Administration and the Pentagon's complete abandoning of economic restraint (and we simply cannot afford what's he's doing, especially the forthcoming Middle East confrontations Israel is provoking). Just wiping out any semblance of being human or caring about this country's or the world's ability to function without on the spot printing of money is dangerous as hell.

What Biden is doing in service to the Industries, the wealthy and Congress as well as that of Bibi and his ministers is irresponsible and exposing our backside.

However, I will look to find where I read that, just not at this moment.

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